too. it is never easy with the irs. >> thanks for joining us today. >> america live starts right now. >> we begin with a fox news alert. we are awaiting two news conference out of san francisco where we hope to learn more about what happened before, and during and after the weekend crash on the triple airliner carrying more than 300 people. welcome to america live. i am a llyson cammarota in for megynicle. we expect to hear from the national transportation safety board. the plane was traveling too slowly and low before it hit the sea wall in front of the runway. we are learning more about the lack of experience that the pilots may have had about

landing that jet. adam housely is at the airport with the latest. >> we have three press conferences in the next hour and half. the first responders conference is taking place. we just passed the fire chief in the airport as she headed in to give the press conference. they may address the possibility that one of the two victims was run over by one of the first responding vehicles. they have suggested. that the coroner would be able to confirm whether or not the victim was run over and if those are the injuries that caused her death. they may address that in the first press conference. the second press conference will come from one of the len hospitals where there is a number of victims in serious condition and they will give us more information. what is interesting the ntsb

gave us a time line of the last seven seconds of the crash. the crew anyhow they were going too slow and low. there were a number of indication and tried to abort the landing, the landing gear hit the jetty. and we had a tail section that broke off and the video that continues to come in from amateur videos from cell phones and other ways and means and she a dramatic slamming down and bouncing of the jet. it is amazing that it stayed together. we get first responder stories and everything from two of those inflatable slides that you see on the seat back if you look at the security card. two of those inflated inside of the jet and they had to use an a x to free the people underthem.

and exacto comboifs used to cut people out. and so these stories continue to come out. we'll hear about that in the next hour and half. we'll update the conditions. this investigation continues to go forward. they are getting a lot of information. that runway where the fuselage sits is still there. the planes a arriving are not normal. >> adam thank you for the update. it is incredible to hear about the flight attendants and how they carried some of the passengers out on their backs on

the slides. we'll breng you that as soon as it starts. we'll hear about the asiana flights final seven seconds. here's what we know. seven seconds before impact. the ntsb chaer said the plane came under the approach speed of 137 knots and four seconds before impact, a control stick, the stick shaker and that is safety equipment holds alerted the pilot that something catastrophic happens and warning that the plane could stall and one and half seconds before impact, the cockpit asked for another landing attempt. the press conference is standing now. let's listen in. >> i am here very proud of the problems that stand behind me

and the members of the fire department and police department for the extraordinary efforts they made and team work that was displayed and heroism displayed to attend to what we needed to on saturday. unfortunately san is not here but they are the reason why 120 people walked away from the airline crash on saturday. i would like to acknowledge those in the airport we worked with. i said this is something we train for and thank goodness for the training but not something many people so in their careers. i wanted to provide an opportunity the first responders and people who went on the plane to assist passengers off in a chaotic circumstance and address you directly. the goal would be to give a narrative of the conditions we

faced and the strategy and organizational structure in the incident command system and address what we had to deal with on saturday. the other thing i wanted to let you know. there is evidence and information to suggest that one of the fire apparatus may have come in contact with one of the two victims that was dead at the scone. we'll address the steps we took when we found out that might be a possibility and assure you we are working with the ntsb as they conduct their investigation on all aspects and particularly on this aspect. as i said on saturday, our heart goes out to those that suffered losses given the circumstances on saturday. i had an opportunity to visit some of the patients on fsgentleman on saturday night and sunday morning, and phenomenal work in san francisco general. they had 52 patients transported

and there is 19 that were still in the hospital. i think a few was discharged. people coming in off duty and everyone rose to the occasion. i couldn't be prouder of the members of my department for the display and professionalism they did to save many, many lives. i would like to introduce the assistant chief in san francisco overseeing division three. >> we have been listening to the fire chief of the airport. she said a couple of interesting things worth noting. 305 people amazingly survived and 123 of them walked away from the crash scene. they were able to walk on their own and credits the first responders with the fact that more people were not severely injured and killed. she touched on the story that

one of the fire trucks responding to the scene may have hit or run over one of the victims who was ultimately killed and it sounds if the investigation is under way. if we get the answer we'll bring you that and other head loins that she makes. . >> wore getting disturbing now video out of cairo today. there is an assault led by supporters of ousted president mohammed morsi that left more than 40 people dead. the white house called on the people of egypt to come together and resolve their differences, the ongoing bloodshed of that country that received 250 million shows how little enfluence we have over the ally that is critical to that region. hi, chris?

>> hi. >> has the president said where he stands? >> he talked about it and wants something good to happen in egypt. he's not saying who or what should be in charge, but that it should be good and fair and supported by the people and be nice. but there is not a lot of nice opgs cooking themselves up in cairo right now. >> everyone wants something good. that is vague as you pointed out in the power play today. it is complicated for the u.s. it is complicated for america to be against the first democratically elected president and for a military coup. >> there is a difference between democracy and liberty. those are two different things. democracy means you vote. and liberty means that the rights of the minority and individuals are protected. you have a constitution to

protect people from the government. democracy means you vote to have a totalian state and the president's agenda, his doctrine for the region is that theocrazy and islamism can be a gateway to liberty and he helped to depose strong men in the region. gadda fi in libya and mubarak in egypt and those folks in egypt were not helpful in the sense they got power and president morsi said we are shutting down the supreme court. we are going to impose the kind of muslim theokrasy.

the military said we will step in and protect liberty. >> is there a sense in washington, that the white house could do something to affect the outcome of all of this turmoil in egypt? >> by doing nothing you affect the outcome. if you continue to fund the military and provide the aid that you described earlier, if you do that you are involved. but if you don't say what you want something good. no one is sure what horse you are backing. the president is playing black jack and wants to see the cards before he takes a hit and before he decides what he wants to do. that's not the way it works. since we are the primary benefactor of the military and this country for two generations, there is a lot of waiting to see what the united states will do and so far, we are not. >> we'll talk to ambassador john

bolton what the united states should be doing. thank you so ch. >> you bet. >> there is a controversy over the role of the president's health care overhaul. the people are using the honor system to request billions in federal subsidies. and a tv reality she may have gone too far when one of the stars involved a firefighter who was killed on 9/11. >> michelle gives her take on what to expect as we get closer to the bill banning late term abortion. (chanting) [ female announcer ] we love when summer gets hot...

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>> fox news alert. we have new information on the plane crash in the san francisco international airport. the fire department described how first responders physically

entered the plan while it was burning and load with fuel as they tried to rescue the passengers. the asiana flight came in too low and clipped the tail and pancaked on the runway and creating fire. two people were killed in the crash and there are questions of whether one of them was hit by an emergency vehicle that was responding. if we learn more about that we'll update you. >> well, the political battle over abortion restriction resumed in texas today where a senate held a hearing on a bill that drew thousands of people to the state. the republican- backed measure would ban most abortions after 20 weeks and toughen the regulations for the abortion clenices. the texas house plans to vote on that legislation tomorrow. hi, michelle. >> mi. >> it is a heated topic and you

can see that played out where abortion opponents and supporters are having a show down in front of the state house; what are you expecting? >> i think we will expect rude and uncivil on the part of the pro- abortion supporters. texas natives are pointing that they are coming from out of state supported by n authority a ra l and planned parent hood and hollywood celebrities that took to twitter and twitchy.comhas been monitoring them and they have ratcheted up vulgar rhetoric against peaceful pro- life support sxers legislators and a stanchly pro- life governor rick perry who are

putting a test to the forces on the other side. do they believe in insuring that abortions are conducted in a safe manner? that's what we have to remember as the debates become more heated not only in texas, but around the country where other state legislators are trying to in the wake of kermit gosnell house of horror situation to make sure women and children are protected. >> should you argue it is never good to base policy on one maniac? >> it is a pro-life forces that tried to expose and report time and time that kermit gosnell is no exception. there are many babaric practices that are white- washed not only

in pennsylvania, but many states including texas itself. there were pro- life investigators and people who are working in the clinics that blew the whistle on practices that endangered women and unborn children. it is not only the case of picking the gosnell case and demonizing every abortion clinic. but as i said, will they abide by standards that insure safety? that is an issue in texas and in north carolina, that debated this in recent days, they are saying that abortion clinics should be treated as surgical and ambulatory facility and the doctors should have admitting privileges in a hospital within 30 miles, or in cases of women who are endangered and emergency personnel have to get in and out quickly the hallways should be

able to accommodate equipment and make sure the women are safe. >> those are the teinants that are in the texas bill. the pro- choice supporters say those four teinants that you outline outline abortion after 20 weeks and making sure the abortion clinic is 30 miles within a hospital, that will effectively outlaw abortion in texas as well as the restrictions in wisconsin and ohio and north carolina; is that what is happening here? soon some states it is virtually impossible to get an abortion? >> the burden is on those pro abortion radicals and extremist who would rather we do nothing to prevent another gosnell or dr. gosnell as there are in so many other states. i have to repeat what the

pro-lifers are doing in the last several decades to make sure people don't buy in the white washing and rosy rhetoric to protect the abortion racket. pick a side. look at the difference of how the pro-life people conducted themselves in argueoth merits. medical providers that supported the laws to insure that there is health and safety for women and unborn children. >> we'll be watching what happens in texas. michelle, thank you for your perspective. >> the defense in the george zimmerman trial right now argue that a key part of the 911 call helps to make the case that george zimmerman acted in self defense when he shot trayvon martin. and we'll she you that argument just a head. dozen was people missing after a train accident looks like a massive bomb blast. we'll show you what went wrong

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bravest at our bravest.org. again that is ourbravest.org. >> in can darks local fire service had just put out a fire on the fuel train before it rumbled down an empty track without a driver. the train smashed in a quebec town flattened dozens of buildings and killing five people. dozens more are missing at this hour. what more do we know, trace? >> you talk about a run away train. it had 73 cars when it broke loose and ran down the hill before it derailed. all but one of the 73 cars were filled with oil. five exploded and all were pressurized and which is why the firefighters couldn't get near this because they were afraid the cars were blowing. when canadian prime minister steve harper saw the damage, he

was stunned. >> it looked like a war zone. a large part of the downtown has been destroyed. it is just terrible and there is loss of life and still many, many people missing. many people are very worried here. >> it happen 1:30 in the morning and most of them were in a music ca fe and and drinking. and people outside barely got away. they don't have high hopes for 40 people inside of the club. five bodies were recovered but were not identified because of the intensity of the blast was too powerful. >> investigators are meeting with family members to either get some files or information as to who the persons are missing right now. >> at least 30 buildings were destroyed, but only a small part

of the scene has been searched. the conductor looked the brakes on the train in place and for some reason it broke loose. they are looking into whether those brakes on the train may have failed. >> just horrific and the aftermath pictures are terrible as well. >> it is a crucial day in the george zimmerman murder trial. the defense called friendly witnesses to counter the prosecution's case. we'll have that live for you. >> the administration announces it is relaxing the standards for subsidies after they delayed another key provision of the legislation. >> we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it away from the fog of the controversy. ♪ and i'll never desert you ♪ ♪ i'll stand by you yeaaaah!

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>> 123 people walked away from this airline crash on saturday. phenomenal work by san francisco general. they had 53 patients transported, i believe that there is less, as of yesterday there was 19 in the hospital. a few of them had been discharged. the incredible team work displayed and people coming in off duty and everyone rose to the ooccasion. >> that was more information we got moments ago from the first responders sdreebing what it was like when they rushed to the flight of the asiana flight 214

and how so many people on board survived despite the disaster. two teenage chinese were killed on the way to summer camp. and some were injured critically. next hour we'll get an update from the national transportation safety board. federal investigators say the plane was traveling too slow and low before it hit the sea wall in front of the runway. another big story breaking for you, on the roll out of obama care. the new controversy is shaping up over a decision now letting people use the honor system in requesting bellions of dollars in insurance subsidies. we have advisor to the fox news

contractor. welcome to both of you. >> hi, a lly. >> great to see you guys. julie, this is interesting the announcement that came out. in order to apply and be eligible for the federal subsidies, you have to make under 45,000 per individual. you have to say how much you make and that is good enough. >> you are damned if you do and don't. right wing wanted the irs out of obama care and getting their wish partially. to some case the irs will not check your income statement. unfortunately this obama care has gotten underfunded because the republicans don't want to fund. it i think it is constant rod blocks to getting it implemented despite the law passed in to law. and you are seeing the consequences, no money for the

vast expansion of irs or treasury overhall to see that people are validating the real income. >> and so mark, is that it, not enough money to enforce that, is that why? >> i don't think so. i think it is funny when julie brings up the irs. the obama irs grilled te party groups in order to get tax exempt status, but obama care subsidies they rely on self reporting without further veriction. and the best part of it is, the reason they gave for waving the veriction requirement. and i am quoting them. it was not feas ebl to check the eligibility of individuals. so we are learning from the obama administration amazingly that it is not feasible to check the eligible of tens of millions of americans complying with regulation. this bill is so massive and

complicated and so unwieldy that the obama administration admits it cannot implement obama care. >> would you rather just give the irs, the vast expansion of power and money to double check all of the tens of millions of people. on one hand you don't want the obama involved in obama care. but then give the irs the power to enforce the mechanism. you guys want the irs involved or in the involved. as they say you are damned if you do or don't. you will get beat up on any of the issue. >> i tell you what i want. i want obama repeated. >> it is not happening my friend. >> your own party and administration, you people wrote the law and you can't implement it. it is a trek wreck of implementation. first the employer man date and that is a terrible idea.

the reason is they don't want businesses to start cutting hours and jobs before the midterm election and now they are not going to implement the veriction procedures and the reason for that is simple. the real embarrassment that they are afraid of. no one will sign up for the subsidies and no one shows up for the subsidies. and the obama care falls apart. if they build it, no one will come. >> you don't answer my question. you want to expand the irs. >> you hear what he's saying. he doesn't want any part of it. >> no, this is the choice. julie, hold you, i want to make this point. between not being able to check the on jacket for subsidies and last weeks, the employer man date would be delayed it is not inspiring confidence in obama care. how should the american public

view the last-minute changes. >> there is two components. it is a undertaking. i agree with mark on that. and the administration was unrealistic in staying how long to implement it. if you have a preexisting condition, no longer you are able to throw off the health insurance if you have cancer. if you develop cancer, no longer will they throw you off the insurance rolls. >> and to your point, that is mark, the most popular component of obama care. preexisting condition. i will give you the last word. >> that is fine. there are popular components of obama care. but the bill is massively unpopular and waiving of the verification is fraud. 25 percent of the earned income tax go to people who are not eligible. if you apply that, it will be

250 billion in improper payments to the american people. that is a huge invitation of fraud. and a massive disaster of a bill. >> i agree. but let's fund this so we don't have to worry about the fraud. >> let's repeal it. >> that's not happening. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> meanwhile george zimmerman's defense team launched an effort to say he was shooting in self defense. judge a lec joins us next on how they might do that. >> a reality star involving a stunt with a 9/11 hero. >> it was the firefighters that did this and it was much more disrespectful of the fact that this was done as a slap in the face of all of the beautiful people murdered 5people murdere

>> in florida, it is a parade of george zimmerman's friends hitting the stand for the defense. swearing under oath it was his voice screaming on the numb 11 call and not trayvon martins. and prosecution is trying to stop a controversialanmation from being played in court. phil keating is outside of the courthouse. >> hi, so far the self defense case for george zimmerman quite straightforward. you hear that voice screaming in the background of the 911. that is not trayvon martin, but that is george zimmerman. that's the thrust of the present aegz of witnesses so far. that is sanford police officer on the stand. she was the first person to interview mr. zimmerman after the shooting and now called by the defense. what i think is going to happen here, she will testify how

tracey martin listened to the 911 tape and the screams and said he did not think it was his son. it is a fast- paced morning. each was either a friend of zimmerman or someone who worked with him and their testimony very consistent. each witness told the court they were confident in the scream identification and consowed they did not know what trayvon martin. >> the jury listened to the 911 tape. >> there is no doubt in my mind that it is george zimmerman. and i wish to god i didn't have that ability to understand that.

>> you know whose voice that is in the background, screaming? >> that is georgy. >> how is it that you know that? >> i just hear it. i hear him screaming. >> trayvon martin had no weapon the night zimmerman shot and killed him as martin walked home to where he was staying with his dad. prosecutors must she spite or ill will or hatred and that's the other theme of the defense. each of the witnesses on the stand cannot identify spite or ill will or hatred in the recordings there. >> so how is the defense team doing so far? and did the prosecution do enough to make l case. we'll have the host of judge

alex here. >> good to be here. >> detective singleton who was a prosecution witness and the defense called her. is that unusual? >> no, it is not unusual. the defense only addresses issues that the prosecutions raises. this is the instance they have other information to extract from her. she was present when tracey martin was interviewed. >> trayvon martin's dad? >> yes. as we know, his father heard the tape and said that is not my son. that changed. and there was a interview of trayvon martin's mother and brother and witnesses that is unusual to hear of. and the mother identified trayvon's voice. the defense will bripg out that that father didn't think so. >> is that what the case is

hinging on? >> no. if machine concludes the voice, but the problem is no one can do. that at the jury will not give all that much weight on the parade of witnesses who say what it is. no one heard him before. >> the prosecution had to prove that there was a malice or ill will on the part of joefrj zimmerman if they want to convict him of second-degree murder. you don't think they did that? >> no. it doesn't matter. it matters if the six people on the jury think they did. i don't think the utterances and so far removed from the shooting anyway and under their breath would stout hate and second-degree murder. it doesn't mean the jury will not convict. >> to be convicted for manslaughter does the

prosecution prove that george zimmerman knew that the bullet would cause grave harm or death. >> for manslawsuiter you don't have to intend to kill. it is by act. norred has a couple of versions. in this case, if jury rejects it would be manslaughter. >> the detective singleton left the stand and the judge sustained any questions of trayvon martin's father. >> the prosecutions accounted on hear say that the defense was trying to get her to testify by an out of court statement and that is hear say. what the defense will have to do is call tracey martin and ask him if that was his son's voice. when he denoticed it.

they call him back to impeach him and she he is changing the testimony. >> judge, what do you think defp up their case as soon as wednesday. what do you think will happen? >> the prosecution will put on a rebuttal case and whether it is thursday, friday or as early as wednesday afternoon depending on how early they wrap and then it is a matter of waiting for the jury. >> very quickly, do you think there is an acquittal. >> that is highly possible. conviction for manslaughter if the judge instructs. >> great to see you. >> thank you. >> thank you for coming in. >> we are waiting for a news conference on the plane crash in san francisco. an accident left two people dead and nearly 200 others injured. we are live in california for you. why is bravo tv apologizing to the family of a person killed on 9/11?

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a 9/11 family is outraged over what they call disrespective treatment over a memorial dedicated to their son. bravo's "princess long island" showed a woman kissing and holding a beer up to a statue after deceased firefighter. >> hey, amanda burton jeannie is the cast member of princess long island. in this particular episode she was trying to promote this decorative beverage holder. she calls it a hanky cup or -- i don't know -- yeah, a drank aid. that's what it is. she and a photographer go to the statute of a firefighter, they ask the model to hug and kiss, as she undresses there, hug and kiss the statue then pretend to feed it beer. listen to them try to coax her.

>> kiss the fireman. >> yes. >> try to feed him beer and then wash it off. >> feed him the bore. >> yes. >> like that. >> as you might imagine, that caused a huge uproar and his dad, who himself is a former fdny firefighter called the episode a slap in the face to his son and all of those who died on 9/11. here he is. >> the network has time to look at this. this wasn't live. this is a tape. the network still found it okay to put this out. to the people to see. i say, shame on the network for their lack of courtesy. their lack of understanding. they found it more important that their ratings would be good. >> that note work is bravo and bravo now responded and said they will edit out any of those scenes in any future broadcasts, adding this quote here, bravo would like to apologize for any distress we may have caused the

family of jonathan ielpi and any other firefighters. members of the family, skeptical of how genuine her apology was, since she also mentioned in the apology the drink hanky, the product she was trying to promote in the first place. >> okay, trace, thanks so much. self promotion at its worst, thank you. >> meanwhile, breaking news, from the first responders who raced to the plane crash, we will have that for new three min puts. plus, more breaking news from the white house on the issue of u.s. aid to egypt. as that country sees a violent new round of bloody crashes. [ tap ]

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we just got some news moments ago from first responders who raced to the crash. a brand new hour of "america live." just a short time ago, we heard from the team of first responders who rushed to the scene of saturday's deadly accident. and they told dramatic stories of police and firefighters rushing into burning flames it help rescue passengers. then came the tough question. did an emergency vehicle accidentally hit and possibly kill one of the passengers who had escaped the plane? here is their answer. >> approximately half to two thirds way through the incident as we were transitioning from fire attack and rescue phase, into both overhauling the fire in the aircraft and starting to concentrate on treatment and transport patients, it became aware to one of our fire attack battalion chiefs that there was a possibility that one of their

two fatalities might have been contacted by one of our apparatus at an unknown point during the incident. he immediately made that information known to the incident commander within moments that was run up our chain of command. both deputy chief gonzalez, chief haze white and myself were made aware of it. and from the san francisco police department as well as fbi were made aware of this potential situation. as you can imagine, it immediately became an investigation. once the scene was safe, and we considered the aircraft concern and we had all of our patientents transported off the initial scene, the scene was locked down, secured and became part of a formal investigation. the san francisco fire department is directly

supporting not only the san francisco police department but also the ntsb and san mateo county coroner's office in this investigation and we are also conducting an internal investigation of our own, trying to clearly establish the fact of what happened. >> claudia cowen is reporting to us from the san francisco international airport. >> and achaos is the right word to use. it was a very chaotic situation with smoke and foam applied to the fire on the plane. we hope to get more information from ntsb investigators in just about 30 minutes. that's the national transportation safety administration, the lead agency in this case. they say their final report on what caused the crash could take a year or more to complete.

there is already growing speculation that pilot error could be the cause. we know from flight data recorder that plane was flying too low and too slow as it approachets the runway. we know from the cockpit voice recorder that the crew tried to abort the landing seconds before it smashed on the runway. we also learned the pilot at controls had never done this landing before. while he logs 10,000 hours flying other aircraft, he had only 43 hours landing this boeing 777. investigators want to know how well these two communicated with each other. >> these pilots and airplanes fly all around the world. you want to make sure they can do it safely every time and safely the first time. so a lot is focussed on the crew

training the way they communicate and how they divvy up their responsibilities. >> we have heard this morning the disturbing information about how one of the teenage girls from china may have died. her body found outside the wreckage near the emergency. she may have lived through the crash but died on the scene, having been run over. we understand her parents are on their way here. roughly 25 people remain hospitalized. many in serious or critical condition. bet are news to report at san francisco international airport where three of the four runways are once again open, allowing more planes to get in and out. airport operations slowly getting back to normal but many travellers who have been here since saturday are still trying to find other travel arrangements. they have, in many cases, been spending the nice here at the

airport. and allison, there is still no word o on when the fourth runway will open. flight 214 will stay out there until ntsb investigators have everything they need. >> thank you so much for the update. claudia just mentioned this is the pilot's first time landing that triple 7 airlinener san francisco. and that he only had about 43 hours of experience behind the controls of that particular type of plane. that is naturally raised questions about pilot training. captain mark weiss is in a civil aeration team leader. captain weiss, thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> okay so the pilot had only flown this triple 7 airliner as it is known nine times before for a total of 43 hours. what does that tell you? >> obviously, brand new in the aircraft and learning the care ki characteristics of the plane.

but once you are training, you are learning the airplane and not landing airports. he wasunder going initiation flats flights. >> i've heard other pilots say san francisco international airport is a tricky to land at. you come in over water and you have to clear that seawall and approach at just the right speed and angle. what do you think? >> i have flown in and out of san francisco many times. san francisco, as other airports, have certain ka characteristics you have to learn and prepare for, but it is not hard to get in and out of. >> we understand he the ils was shut off. is that common, should he have it should shut off? >> well, he couldn't have used it. but there are a number of other

devices to be used, particularly in the triple 7, where you can build your own approach it a runway. so you don't necessarily even need that on a clear day like they had the other afternoon. >> so captain weiss, how do you ask explain it? we have heard from a host of witnesses. sounds like this is what investigators are leaning towards. that plane was coming in too slowly and too low. what would explain that? >> well, you don't want it really jump to a con clougs clu the very beginning. because the ntsb is looking for probable cause and how do you prevent an accident from happening again from what you learn from this. let's take a step back. we know the final ending, the conclusion of this flight. but the questions they will be looking at are, when the aircraft was turned in for the approach on the runway, were

they turned in too high, too fast. did the pilot say anything about, i'm not in a position to land? i need some more room to get aircraft down, to be in a position where i can make a landinon the runway. they are going to look at why pulled the power back. why he dove the airplane down and then trying to add power to get the air plan to respond, so that it wouldn't be too low on an approach path. an airplane like this takes between seven and nine seconds for the engines to respond from idle power to adding power. normally, and san francisco has a glide path of about 3 degrees. so you should be coming down at a 3 degree angle from your altitude. and you know at various points along ate proech, what your altitude should be. you brief it on a briefing prior to landing within the cockpit.

it is there. it is visual for you to see. and it is on your instrumentation. so having the ils would be nice, but not necessarily a factor in this. one thing you will look at it is why didn't someone say something earlier. saying seven seconds before that you need to add power, when it takes seven to nine seconds to get those engines up to speed, is a lot of situational awareness. >> and in fact, to that point, captain weiss, people -- i've heard faa talk about how they will look at culture inside the cockpit. was there something preventing the copilot from speaking up. we appreciate your expertise. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> just a reminder, ntsb is expected to deliver a new update about saturday's crash sometime this hour. we are closely monitoring that news conference and we will bring it to you live as soon as it gets under way.

fox news alert now. governor rick perry revealing his plans for the future. longest serving governor in state history, announcing his decision about a possible fourth term. right now in san antonio, let's listen in for a moment. >> we have cut property taxes. we've reformed the franchise tax. and provided tax relief to small businesses. we've stood strong against unwise policies from washington that would bust the bank. policies that come with strings attached. large cost down the road. things like an unwise expansion of unemployment insurance or an unsustainable expansion of medicaid programs. and the most recent session we made a historic investment in preserving and protecting our water supply that will pay dividends for generations to

come. >> while we are listening to governor perry there, let's bring in carl cameron live from washington. carl, i do know what this bomb shell announcement might be? >> there are only a couple people in the world who did know, his wife being one. and one or two staffers. the general good money smart money bet seems to be he will announce that he will not run for an unprecedented fourth term as governor of texas. he is in his third term now. he also served for -- and to end out the term that george w. bush had as governor of texas before he went on to become president. and then the outstanding question after that, should he decide he is not seeking reelection in 2014, will he run for president in 2014, '15 and '16 when the next presidential cycle comes up. equipping that it takes most republicans at least two tries

to win the nomination. i will get out much earlier and not after back surgery, like he did last time. so what does this mean for his presidential aspirations. >> it could go either way. he was laying out a laundry list of accomplishments. and there for i'm running for a further term and this is what i will leave on a high note. go ahead, carl. >> just before you joined us, allison, in washington be they also played a very, very upbeat and positive video of the governor's record in texas. had the feel of a campaign ad. >> interesting. we will continue to watch that press conference. thanks so much, carl. we also have breaking news. moments ago from both the white house and the state department on the situation in egypt. we will have that for new three minutes. plus, new engineering by quick work by well trained crew contributed greatly to the number of survivors on flight 214. just ahead, a look at what this

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breaking news in the george zimmerman trial. chris sereno is testifying right now. you may remember, he made big news a week ago when he said he believed george zimmerman's story that he did act in self-defense, the night he shot trayvon martin. now over the weekend, the legal analyst from abc, made news when he argued that case is over and that the prosecution has already blown the trial. let's listen. >> the prosecution's case is in. they presented all of their evidence. i do not see, how the jury, as a legal matter, convicts second degree murder or manslaughter. that does not mean that george zimmerman was justified. it does not mean george zimmerman was right. it means when the prosecution

has the burden to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, mean theg have the responsibility to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt, it is hard to imagine that of all the witnesses we've seen, that there is not reasonable doubt as to that, up to this point. >> all right. let's debate that. former federal prosecutor and ashley merchant, criminal defense attorney, welcome both of you. >> thank for having me. >> great to have you, fred. do you, ashley, agree with dan abe rams that the prosecution has not proven second degree murder or manslaughter. >> absolutely. this case is over. the prosecution did not prove their case. the defense is proving it was self-defense. >> fred, do you agree? >> well, look, when you're a

prosecutor, you don't get to pick any more, you play the hand you are dealt. in all the years i was a prosecutor, i never won a single motion to change the facts. no one has ever won ever. so they did the best they can with the facts that they have. i mean, it is a tough, tough case. and unfortunately, for the line prosecutors, or women, i forget who is in there, trying the case, your boss made the decision the case would be tried so you do the best can you. >> i know what you are saying, fred. no one is saying they did incompetence tent job, no one is saying that. but do you think they proved that it was at least man slaughter? >> here's the thing. the intent of what -- put aside manslaughter in the second degree. reckless abandonment, it is up for the jury to decide that. he is say nothing jury in the world would convict him.

that the standard that defense gets to argue that case should be thrown out on. >> there is no way -- go ahead, ashley. >> the only witness we've got that was there was george zimmerman. trayvon martin is not here any more. so how can the state possibly disprove self-defense? they are trying to do it with all of these people who are saying oh, that was him on the 911 call. that was trayvon. no w no, that was george. how many people can you get to come into court and say, that's him on the 911 call. >> i agree with you. but unfortunately, those are the only witnesses around. those are the ones they have to call. you want to watch a prosecution get back in the game real fast? put george zimmerman on the witness stand. if i was his defense attorney, i won let that guy within a million miles of the stand. >> i heard other people say he will not take the stand. >> he better not. >> in other ways like through 911 calls. >> is there a way for the prosecution to tell the jury, make the case that had george zimmerman not followed trayvon

martin that night, had he not disregarded the police advice, to stay in his car and not follow trayvon martin, that trayvon martin would still be alive. >> they are going to argue that. but that is not what self-defense comes down to. self-defense comes down to the few moments when the actual shooting happened and whether or not george zimmerman reasonably believe at that specific point that he had to discharge his weapon to protect himself. it doesn't matter what happened 10 minutes before, an hour before. what matters is what happened right when the action happened. >> the problem, allison too, is that making that argument is not consistent with all of the physical evidence in the case. it is not like he followed this guy five feet from his father's doorstep and gunned him down. if you are the prosecutor, that's a tough argument it make given physical evidence, including where the physical confrontation took place. >> does it matter to you, the prosecution and lawyers have spent a lot of time trying to feg out who was on top, who was

delivering the more aggressive blows. >> definitely. >> does that matter? >> i think it matters because the evidence has shown that trayvon was on top of george zimmerman. i think that is extremely powerful for self-defense. when you have someone on top of another person you've got meet that force with a much stronger force to defend yourself. >> fred, last word? >> it paints a picture. >> the other problem is making the prosecution's job difficult. if you listen carefully to the testimony of the one guy who did see the fight, he testified that george zimmerman said, call the police, call 911. that is the testimony of a guy trying to avoid a problem and get law enforcement's help. i think you had to put the guy on the witness stand but every witness they put on, that have something like that that puts a nail in their case. >> thanks for having me. >> we are now getting live pictures from the site of the ntsb news conference and it is

expected to begin in a little more than five minutes an this is the first chance to learn new developments in this investigation. we will bring that to you as soon as we get it.

news alert for you regarding the crisis in egypt. moments ago the administration saying it would not, repeat, not cut off aid it that country in the middle of escalating violence between the military and supporters of former president morsi. moments later, the state department called on the egyptian army to exercise quote maximum restraint in dealing with protesters. this after at least 51 people were killed when the military opened fire on protesters earlier. the military saying they were attacked by the group of morsi

supporters. we will have a live report for you on all of this in moments. meanwhile, doctors treating the wife of secretary of state john kerry now upgrading her condition from stable it fair. teresa heinz kerry was rushed to the hospital in critical condition. what is the latest, molly? >> reporter: allison, the latest is that teresa heinz kerry is in fair condition after running tests through the night and into this morning. she also has her family at her side. her husband, secretary of state john kerry, travelled with her. first from nantucket then to boston to mass general. today we are getting good news her condition is improving. her husband, son and other family members remain at her side today and have since she has become ill. the family has said they are touched by the outpouring and

well wishes they are receiving. secretary kerry afforded quite a bit of security here. this is a security event for the hospital and boston. teresa heinz kerry was flown in on her own private plane. and secretary kerry spent the night nearby at their beacon hill residence. they have a home in the city. before coming back to the hospital this morning to be with his wife. we know she suffered from breast cancer diagnosed in 2009 but she is a survivor but during the course of battling that disease people close to the family say she fell and hurt her head that time. that there is no word that has anything to do with this particular incident and there is no word on what caused this particular medical emergency. allison? >> all right, molly for us in boston. thank you for that update. we are learning more about the plane crash in california

and how new designs and a well trained crew contributed greatly to the number of citizens who survived. we will have more on the ntsb conference in moments. ambassador john bolton on our breaking news right after this break. looked nice?

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is about to deliver their update on the crash at san francisco international airport. we will bring that to you as soon as we get more information. a. if news alert with you with breaking news from the white house and state department regarding the crisis in egypt today. moment ago the administration saying it would not cut off aid to that country in the middle of the escalating violence between the military and support offers of former president morsi. spokesman jay carney saying that would quote not be in the best interest of the united states. then moments later, the state department called on the egyptian army to exercise quote maximum restraint in dealing with protesters after at least 51 people were killed when the military opened fire on protesters earlier. greg has that part of our story live from cairo. we have to warn you some of his video is disturbing. greg? >> reporter: hi, allison. there is a tense calm here in

cairo right now after today's terrible bloodshed. deat deaths over 50 and injuries over 400. this morning outside a military building it is believed morsi is being detained by authorities. islamists, muslim brotherhood activist claim soldiers fired on them with live ammunition. they describe it as a blood bath and they are calling for an uprising. they say a terrorist in the crowd fired upon them first and soldiers were simply defending the building. they say their patience is running out. whichever account is right, allison, it pushed two sides in the dire standoff and further apart. and the party yanked support for the military backed interim government. a leading figure here says there could be civil war.

further efforts to up the transitional government and they have a president in place. they are looking for a vice president and prime minister. one thing that boning sides can agree on here is what is seen as u.s.'s mishandling of the situation. they say the u.s. must have backed what they call a military coup. washington sticking with an unpopular leader for too long, a dangerous and deadly terrain here in egypt right now, alison. >> certainly is. thank you for the update. please stay safe. what does this mean for america's relationship with an ally that received $250 million in u.s. aid just a few months ago. thanks for being here. >> glad to be here. >> what do you think about the news just moments ago that white house said he will not suspend financial aid it egypt. in other words, egypt will

continue to receive u.s. money to the tune of $1.3 billion a year, i believe. so well continue sending them money even despite the turmoil? >> i think it is the right decision. although to get to that decision, the administration looks like it pretty much ignored a congressional statute for bidding foreign assistance in situations like we have in egypt. that said, i still think the administration did the right thing. i think congress shouldn't pass touchy feely statutes. but i think the administration will run into criticism in congress. it should seek appropriate legislation to make sure that it's dispensing of any aid. by the way, if there is any left before the end of the year on september 30 yet to dispense. >> in addition to sending money, what else do you think the white house and u.s. should be doing right now. >> it is a question that unfortunately can't be answered without looking at the last two and a half years of mishandling

the situation in egypt, which the administration has undertaken. i would say at this point, that only stable force in the country is the military. and it is a military we have given over $70 billion of aid to since camp david accord in 1979. that's where we aught to be focussing our attention, looking toward the military to exercise restraint. but to keep the country in order. unfortunately, they are faced with a muslim brotherhood. at least some of whose leadership seems determined to create martyrs. this is the way they do things. because they don't -- they don't look at the deaths, the 50 plus who have been killed as tragedy. they look at it as giving them increased legitimacy. and is showing their commitment to their form of islamsism. so unfortunately, having an asymmetry between the brotherhood that is seeking to provoke confrontation, and the

military that i think would just assume get out of the way as quickly as it can. >> okay. ambassador john bolton, thank you so much for being here. we have so much breaking news today. thank you for cutting you short. we appreciate you being here. >> meanwhile, the ntsb news conference is getting set in san francisco. they will deliver their latest update on that crash. let's listen. >> -- in place in the cockpit. they are now reviewing manuals and training. they're working to conduct 72-hour work/rest history. the 72-hour work histories, they are looking at the flight doubty time, rest opportunity, and activity that have taken and days leading up to the crash. we are looking for things that might affect human performance,

like fatigue, like illnesses or medication. like health issues. so we will be looking at all of those things to see if there are any impacts on their ability to perform their job. we are working to interview all four pilots that were on the aircraft coming into san francisco. there were two pilots and many of you have talked about the two pilots. it was a captain who was working on his initial operating experience in the triple 7. he was an experienced pilot and prior captain but was working on getting his ratings on the triple 7 and getting initial operating experience in the triple 7. he was also flying with a check captain or training captain. and then there were two other crew members. another captain and first officer who were also flying. again, remember, this is a very

long trans pacific flight. so the four crew members are there for relief, so that others can get rest. when we interview those four crew members, we are going to get a lot more details about their activities, about their work, about their training, about who was the pilot floiiy,o was the pilot in command. we are looking to correlate all of that information with what we are finding on the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder. it was important for us to wait for the arrival of our korean counter parts and asiana when we do interviews. we also have pilots who also might need translation services during interviews. we want it make sure interviews are effective and comprehensive.

i know you all have a lot of questions about the pilots and their training. i will tell you when we brief tomorrow, i hope to have a lot more information about the pilot just to head off some of the questions i may not be able to answer today until those interviews are complete. our atc team looked back through communications, through voice communications, and as i shared with you yesterday, we have no evidence of any distress calls or any problem reports with respect to the aircraft prior to the accident. we will be reviewing data for prior flight coming into san francisco in the hours and days prior to the accident.

particularly on the accident runway to see if there were any issues associated with the recent runway construction or glide slope outage. this crew was vectored in for a 17-mile straight in final visual approach. they were vectored in from the northern california tracon, located near sacramento. asiana 214 reported they had the airport in sight. they were cleared for the visual approach. and they transitioned to tower control. they were cleared to land by the tower and then there was the accident sequence and subsequent launch of the emergency responders on the airport property. some of that we have already talked about yesterday.

i have seen and heard some report about a 4,000-foot per minu minute descent rate. the group that reviewed the initial data have indicated that there's no be a normally feet descent that has been defetecte in the data that they have. hour power plant team has conducted an on scene visual of the engines. the primary evaluations indicate both engines were production power at the time of impact. and this is consistent with information that we also see on the flight data recorder.

there was no evidence of an uncontainment. the number two engine was found adjacent to the fuselage and there's evidence of high rotation at impact. the number one engine was found liberated from the aircraft and it exhibits severe rotational damage. we also took fuel samples from the aircraft for testing. the flight data recorder and cockpit recorder groups are beginning to convene in washington. we will create groups who will listen to the flight data recorder. and help transcribe. we want people who are on the voice recorder who are familiar with the aircraft and any noises or sounds or alerts that might come from that aircraft.

we also want to make sure we have korean speakers on that group as well. there is a mix of english and korean heard on the cockpit voice recorder. the teams will begin their work looking at few-hour cockpit advice recorder and transcribing the sections they believe is most relevant to our accident investigation. the flight data recorder group will be validating the parameters on the recorder. as i mentioned yesterday, this is a recorder that has data on it and there are 1400 different parameters that are plaesh urd by the recorder. we want to make sure that we understand those parameters, what they represent, and make sure that information that is on there, the data that is on there, is accurate and good. there is another recorder aboard the aircraft. quick access recorder or qar, it

may record different parameters. so we will also take a look at that as well. we have a vehicle performance group and they are focused on t the performance. it f it performed in a way that was predictable and consistent with the manufacturers guidance and expectations. there are ground marks, witness marks and significant amount of evidence on the airport property. they are also evaluating and reviewing videos made available us to by the airport and by others. the performance group will use

physical evidence recorded data and aerodynamic models. >> she said interesting things. she started by addressing pilot error which so many analysts said might have caused the crash. she said they will begin looking at fatigue and make sure all of the pilots had the right amount of sleep leading up to this. she said they reviewed the radar data and show there was no be a normally steep drop of the plane coming in. so well continue listening to this press conference and bring you any of the headlines that she makes as she makes them. we are also hearing incredible survival stories emerging from this weekend's deadly plane crash at san francisco international airport and learning modern engineering and quick thinking by a very well-trained cabin crew contributed to the large number of survivors. here is one of the passengers on what they experienced inside the cabin.

>> in your head, you go through emotion. you don't know what is happening. you don't know if you will be dead at the end of the emotion or not p. the plane stopped. the person to my left, heavy injured on his head, but conscious, and myself, i was hurting but not too bad. just opened the door. and the plane was cracked on the right-hand side but we managed to open the door. somebody helped me push it out. i could see debris but a piece of the wing, step on this and go down further. and so i just told people, we are okay, calm down. start getting out. and help each other. >> incredible story. live for us in los angeles, with more, hi, william. >> allison, obviously, ntsb looking in the air at what happened before the crash.

when the plane hit the ground. what happened afterwards. this could have been so much worse. this is a an accident where seconds matter. the first fire engine reached the plane in less than three minutes and that was critical in saving so many lives. first responders climbed up the chutes to get inside the cabin. fuel is gushing from the left engine. smoke getting worse. they cleared the plane, found four people in the rear. some stuck, others injured. the crew deserves a lot of credit for getting people off the plane quickly. luggage had been falling from overhead bins and ash filling the cabin. despite this chaos, onwn only to died. and not from fire. km in the past caused high fatalities. now there are materials that

cause lower flames. passengers are not crushed. consider these factors. foam on the plane quickly. cool it down. prevent fuel from ig noting. number two, flight crew cutting passengers free from seat belts with knives from cops who jumped on the burning plane with no air supply. and finally better design plane because of lessons learned from previous accidents. all those things taken together, means 123 people walked away from this plane crash. six still in critical condition. back to you. >> numbers are remarkable. william, thank you so much. what should air travellers take away from all of this? joining us now is aviation consultant mike boyd. mike, thanks for being here mike, you heard william. 124 people walked away from the crash. obviously survivability improved over the years greatly. >> like he said, new fire

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>> we're back with aviation consult tenant mike boyd talking about lessons learned. one of the things it sounds like they need to figure out the inflatable slides. they didn't deploy properly. it's described two of them deployed inside the plane and trapped people underneath it. some of the crew had to use axes

to get the slides off the people. that sounds like something that the faa may want to look at after this crash. >> sure. but keep in mind, this is a damaged airplane and when an airplane is damaged, a lot of things don't work the way they're supposed to work. they will look at that and see what we can do better going forward. the fire, for example, in the attic of the airplane. what fuel. so they'll be looking at those things. so there will be a benefit out of what they find. >> the flight attend adapts sound incredible. performed acts of heroism. some were small women and were able to somehow carry some other passengers, men even, on their backs to get out of this. have their evacuation drills increased or gotten better? >> oh, yes. people don't realize, flight attendant is not there to serve drinks. they're there to get you off the

airplane safely if something happens. and that is their number one charge, their number one job, and they do it very well. so i think what people need to recognize is that person in the aisle serving you coffee is your friend and you listen to them because they're safety professionals. >> that's other good reminder. it sounds silly that we have to -- those who fly all the time have to listen to that safety speech, time and again, but it does save lives, and one way in which it saves lives and all of us should remember next time we're flying, is to count the number of seats between you and an emergency and it. -- emergency exit. >> i went to flight attendant training in ancient times and that's the first thing you tell people, the exit may not be the one you entered. but it's like a hotel. count the doors to the stairs and count the seats to the nearest exit, and don't expect to be able to seem it gets dark. so think about and it can make a difference.

>> sounds like seats themselves had improved greatly in the past 20 years and they can withstand much great are impact now. >> there have been new regulations on that, too. land from crashes going forward. where the seats, if they become loose, they become projectiles. and you take a look at this airplane. it hit pretty hard and the seats got messed up but didn't come unglued apparently. >> there's any silver lining we can all learn something and make even better improvements to increase safety. mike boyd, thank you for your expertise. >> thank you. >> we'll go back live to san francisco international airport. the ntsb is holding that news conference right now, so we'll have the latest details for you on that next. who's new in the fridge! i help support bones... [ ding! ] ...the immune system... [ ding! ] ...heart health... [ ding! ] ...and muscles. [ ding! ] that can only be ensure complete! [ female announcer ] the four-in-one nutrition of ensure complete. a simple choice to help u eat right. [ major nutrition ] nutrition in charge.

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